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Postby chromus » Sun 25 Mar, 2012 10:44 pm

Hi All,

I bought a Vertex Vectra and upon opening the "Quality Control Sealed" box I found it was missing the 3 Titanium bolts that hold the "Engine" onto the cup lid. :nut:

I contacted Graeme by phone and he made arrangements for me to be able to pickup the replacement bolts within 24hours. :bow:

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It's all running like a boss. :clap:

So First impressions:

Extremely well packed

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Here's the lid, which comes in it's own box.

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Putting it together I found it was easiest to use a plastic bowl to sit the "engine" part in while tightening the bolts to prevent scratching the clear motor housing.

While it was still like this I placed the skimmer cup onto the lid and setup the wiper blade.

Due to the tight squeeze under my tank I couldn't get a clear shot of it all setup.

Now to the disappointment, the blinking blue LEDs I had assumed were part of the timer indications turn out to be JUST blinking LEDs and the unit needs to be attached to and external timer on its power supply. For the cost of a $3 Real Time Clock chip which could be set to run every 3/4/6/12 hours this could be built into the drive, this was annoying. :nono:

Pro's:

* Very sturdy and well built.
* Great support from Aquadepot with the minor issue of the bolts which Graeme advises he will be taking up with Vertex and checking all the subsequent units before dispatch to retailers.
* Very well packed

Cons:

* Factory quality control obviously needs some work, but Graeme will be checking them prior to dispatch.
* Lack of an inbuilt timer.

Would I buy another? Too early to say. If Vertex pulled their finger out and added the timer this would be a show stopping unit. I can't fault the build quality, or the post sales support from Aquadepot.

Thanx again Graeme.
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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby notsomot » Sun 25 Mar, 2012 10:47 pm

* Lack of an inbuilt timer.

Would I buy another? Too early to say. If Vertex pulled their finger out and added the timer this would be a show stopping unit. I can't fault the build quality, or the post sales support from Aquadepot.


Whats the flashing light then??
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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby chromus » Sun 25 Mar, 2012 10:53 pm

Just flashing blue LEDs
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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby wawazza » Sun 25 Mar, 2012 10:56 pm

are these suitable for other skimmers?
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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby chromus » Sun 25 Mar, 2012 11:01 pm

As long as the cup neck is vertical, you should be able to get the retailer to order the lid part to suit your skimmer.

I have a BubbleKing SM250 which cupwise is all but identical to the Vertex 250
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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby wawazza » Sun 25 Mar, 2012 11:04 pm

Righto cheers
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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby reefsecretsaquariums » Sun 25 Mar, 2012 11:54 pm

yes i love mine too .. ill upload my porn later ,,, as i took my top off and inserted the vectra ... loving it .. skimmer neack is clean i drain my cup so i figure every 2-3 weeks ill clean the inside of my cup... im pulling awesome skimmate ATM .. very happy ... :cheers: every one needs one ,,,
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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby Aquadepot » Mon 26 Mar, 2012 6:13 pm

The lids are designed to fit standard acrylic tubing size as below
Vectra Lid 150
Vectra Lid 160
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Vectra Lid 200
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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby reefsecretsaquariums » Mon 26 Mar, 2012 11:48 pm

ok so i stand corrected ...hahaha

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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby jellyfisch » Wed 28 Mar, 2012 9:30 pm

Hey Guys,

first Chromus, thanks for the straight foreward review. Your impressions are certainly important for Vertex.

As to the flashing leds, they do serve a purpose. They let you know the unit is functioning. No flashing leds, you know it is not running at the moment. It is actually for general safety.

We elected not to use an inbuilt timer as this would make it difficult to use the system via computer control, which functions essentially as an on-off switch. Keeping the device simpler not only makes it more flexible in its use and integration into other systems (especially non-Vertex), it did cut the cost a bit. At the time, it seemed the wisest approach. Just so you know it was considered and the thoughts behind the decision.

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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby chiefzod » Wed 28 Mar, 2012 10:45 pm

Hi,

I like these units. My thoughts having used the Aquadriver before this are.

Lack of timer is fine as stated it's best for sue with controllers. The biggest thing i hate is the power cord. It should be a jack going into unit. Having to take the entire unit with powerpack and all to clean it is just a pain. Also means i can't run the cord neatly behind all my plumbing etc like i want to as it would be a pain when i need to clean the lid.
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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby jellyfisch » Wed 28 Mar, 2012 11:01 pm

Interesting. And I agree, I hate dealing with cables and plugs. I prefer my spaghetti in a dish with pesto! I'll pass this on the the engineers, as they may be able to find a good snap-on cable. The problem with most plug-in cables on smaller items is their tendency to fall out or make a poor connection, which is just as disturbing. Certainly, a bit of research may make it possible.

Thanks for the feedback!

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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby jellyfisch » Wed 28 Mar, 2012 11:53 pm

Well, I had a quick reply from the developement team and I understand their decision with the power cable. Salt creep! In tests with cables, saltcreep was the biggest problem, which meant eliminating as many potentially exposed connections as possible.

Now we know!

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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby chromus » Thu 29 Mar, 2012 12:03 am

jellyfisch wrote:Hey Guys,

first Chromus, thanks for the straight foreward review. Your impressions are certainly important for Vertex.

As to the flashing leds, they do serve a purpose. They let you know the unit is functioning. No flashing leds, you know it is not running at the moment. It is actually for general safety.

We elected not to use an inbuilt timer as this would make it difficult to use the system via computer control, which functions essentially as an on-off switch. Keeping the device simpler not only makes it more flexible in its use and integration into other systems (especially non-Vertex), it did cut the cost a bit. At the time, it seemed the wisest approach. Just so you know it was considered and the thoughts behind the decision.

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Fair call, but no reason you couldn't cater for both with "Manual"/2/4/6 hr modes.

This wudn't be an issue if the Cerebra was available :poke: I guess you guys are waiting for that trade show in May....

As for the seperate cable, there are plug/sockets similar to those used by ipods that have a screw down sheath that is tigtened onto a thread on the socket. This should handle both the salt creep and the secure fit issues.
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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby chiefzod » Thu 29 Mar, 2012 8:05 am

jellyfisch wrote:Well, I had a quick reply from the developement team and I understand their decision with the power cable. Salt creep! In tests with cables, saltcreep was the biggest problem, which meant eliminating as many potentially exposed connections as possible.

Now we know!

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Fair call but as Chromus said there are ways around that. The Aquadriver had a little rubber boot that went onto the plug and pushed up against the side of the unit. Was just an easy add-on and not part of the cord in anyway. In 4 years i never had any problem with corrosion or salt creep.

I will be cutting my power cord and adding a jack. I know this will ruin my warranty but leaving it the way it is is just to much of a pain for me.
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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby jellyfisch » Fri 30 Mar, 2012 12:17 am

OK, the truth about the blue leds

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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby StripestheEel » Sat 31 Mar, 2012 1:27 pm

The other issue is the cable that slots into the Vectra to power the unit is poorly secured. All it takes is a small tug and it falls out.

It doesn't even clip in, it just sits in there loosely.
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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby chromus » Sun 01 Apr, 2012 11:08 pm

Jamie,

Have you guys found an optimal number of times/day to run the Vectra?

I am currently running mine every 6hours, for 2 mins, but have the ability to have more or less repeats and longer/shorter running times.
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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby StripestheEel » Mon 02 Apr, 2012 8:41 am

4 times a day? Way too much IMO. Twice is sufficient.
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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby chromus » Mon 02 Apr, 2012 1:47 pm

StripestheEel wrote:4 times a day? Way too much IMO. Twice is sufficient.


This is why I am asking, there is little guidance in the instructions sheet.
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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby Aquadepot » Mon 02 Apr, 2012 3:07 pm

How does the action of the cleaner effect the bubble column, how quickly does it start producing after the vectra has cleaned?
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Postby chromus » Mon 02 Apr, 2012 3:18 pm

It barely effects the bubble column with my current setup. I am able to skim much drier now cos I don't have to clean the neck, so all I get is the black ooze that smells like something died.
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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby jellyfisch » Mon 02 Apr, 2012 8:23 pm

We recommend twice per day, which would be sufficient in most aquariums. Of course, if it has to do some overtime in skimming, more often may be good. As you noticed, it barely breaks the foam and is quickly back up to full power.

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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby aufo8mycat » Wed 02 May, 2012 1:04 am

Quick question, what part of my skimmer cup do i measure, or can some one chime in and tell me what lid i need I have deltec TC2060,
Do i measure the outer bit of the cup that my lid sits on (radius or diameter or circumference) or the inner part that produces the stinky stuff! or has Riki already sorted this out for me Graeme, hopefull he has and is there for me thursday when i get there!!!!
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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby jellyfisch » Wed 02 May, 2012 2:00 am

aufo8mycat wrote:Quick question, what part of my skimmer cup do i measure, or can some one chime in and tell me what lid i need I have deltec TC2060,
Do i measure the outer bit of the cup that my lid sits on (radius or diameter or circumference) or the inner part that produces the stinky stuff! or has Riki already sorted this out for me Graeme, hopefull he has and is there for me thursday when i get there!!!!


You measure the diameter of the cup itself, not the neck.

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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby aufo8mycat » Tue 15 May, 2012 1:33 am

Graeme, has mine been sent to m+ yet, we got the 300 for theon, now i just want mine :(
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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby Aquadepot » Wed 16 May, 2012 6:49 am

Hi Alex

I am not sure I remember discussing with Riki. As I am away can you contact John in the office to check.

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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby chromus » Thu 14 Jun, 2012 11:19 am

So I decided it was time to check on the Vectra, the other day (basically 3 months after installing it), I found the neck was still clean on the inside and but that the cleaner arm was covered in nasty smelling brown stuff.

I dismantled the wiper arm and cleaned it and all of the rotating assembly, then the lid, all of it returned to the nice stark white they started with.

The only ongoing maintenance I have been doing is pouring 10L of fresh water in thru 1 of the lid holes and out thru the drain into a bucket to make sure all if the slime is removed.
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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby ssbk23 » Sun 17 Jun, 2012 12:47 am

After all that time did you find any of the buildup in the bottom of the skimmer?
The longest I left mine was 2 weeks without a clean. At the end I was getting solid chunks falling off the wiper blade and settling into the bottom of the skimmer.

I give it a clean weekly now :)
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Re: Vertex Vectra

Postby terbit » Sun 17 Jun, 2012 12:05 pm

ssbk23 wrote:After all that time did you find any of the buildup in the bottom of the skimmer?
The longest I left mine was 2 weeks without a clean. At the end I was getting solid chunks falling off the wiper blade and settling into the bottom of the skimmer.

I give it a clean weekly now :)


Interesting to note it needs cleaning weekly, probably not worth the initial outlay when I can clean the skimmer cup weekly anyway.
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