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Re: Floating Tank Design - Now with full tank shots / render

Postby bigdhsv » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 2:03 pm

just an idea and im not sure if it will work, but you could make it out of wook then fill all gaps/holes and what not and sand it to a fine finnish, then (this is where in not sure if it will work) take it to a panel and paint shop, and get it painted, id say 2 undercoats, and two coats of 2pac black, and then several coats of clear coat. id say that would give it a smooth almost roundes finnish. not sure about putting it into practice but it should work and would be water safe aswell as it should seal the wood
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Postby callummc1 » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 2:11 pm

WarbyD wrote:Nah I'm mean build the whole thing and then wrap a thin piece of signwriters vinyl (ie what alot of people put on the back of their tanks) in whatever colour you like around the whole thing.. would be a pain in the arse to get the corners right but I'm sure it'd be doable...

Alternatively, again with wood, build it & fill all joins with putty, sand to a smooth surface, prime & paint in a gloss finish paint.. again should leave you with a fairly seamless finish..


Very interesting concept.... do you by any chance have any shots of this stuff bended around corners?
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Postby callummc1 » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 2:18 pm

fightingfish wrote:Honestly I don’t understand why fluval themselves aren’t making a larger version of there design. They would make a fortune from a larger version considering how many modifications and larger versions have been made by other people. There is a clear demand for it.

Also if they made an all in one marine version like your design it would sell much better than redsea and aquamedic tanks.


Really - I haven't been able to find anyone who has done a similar thing. If you know where you saw it, I'd love to find out what others are doing.

You know, it's funny that you mentioned the commercial aspect.

Nick and I were talking about the amount of time that we have put into this (and the amount of time yet to come) and we tossed around the idea of commercialising it. It wouldn't be too hard to find a manufacturer who could do flat pack stands in a good quality. The whole thing could come as a boxed product.

The only issue we saw with it was that you would need to organise appropriate volumes to appease a manufacturer up front. Although with enough buy in (and pre-orders) with commercial aquariums - it would be possible.

Price wise though - I think that this is going to be similar to the CADE style aquariums. It would be a premium product rather than a cheap mass produced thing like the Edge.
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Postby callummc1 » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 2:20 pm

bigdhsv wrote:just an idea and im not sure if it will work, but you could make it out of wook then fill all gaps/holes and what not and sand it to a fine finnish, then (this is where in not sure if it will work) take it to a panel and paint shop, and get it painted, id say 2 undercoats, and two coats of 2pac black, and then several coats of clear coat. id say that would give it a smooth almost roundes finnish. not sure about putting it into practice but it should work and would be water safe aswell as it should seal the wood


Thanks Damien - that's the path that my mind has been wandering down too. You would have thought that it wouldn't be too difficult to get a one off piece of plastic. But apparently it is.

Still interested in alterative suggestions - really want to explore this area thoroughly.
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Postby WarbyD » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 2:42 pm

I think big d's suggestion is going to be the most cost effective to implement (same thing I was getting at with my 2nd suggestion, except you'd get a *much* better finish by taking it to an auto shop as he's suggested) and would look fantastic... plenty of furniture around the place that's MDF painted with 2-pac. Go into any major furniture retailer and have a look at some of their stuff to see if it's got the sort of finish you'd like :)
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Postby spanishmack » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 3:03 pm

i like the idea of what you are doing, looks good :thumbsup:

if you did do a wood hood, i wouldn't get an auto repair shop to paint it, go to a cabinetmaking factory and get them to make and paint the hood in "proper" 2 pack paint designed for wood, not automotive paint which is designed for metal cars not wood furntiure. its like making apple pie with pears, sure it may look the same, but nowhere near as good.
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Postby callummc1 » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 3:05 pm

WarbyD wrote:I think big d's suggestion is going to be the most cost effective to implement (same thing I was getting at with my 2nd suggestion, except you'd get a *much* better finish by taking it to an auto shop as he's suggested) and would look fantastic... plenty of furniture around the place that's MDF painted with 2-pac. Go into any major furniture retailer and have a look at some of their stuff to see if it's got the sort of finish you'd like :)


It might be the way to go.

Initally we had envisaged doing it in acrylic - but apparently it's a royal pain in the ass to paint. Anyone have any hints in that area?
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Postby WarbyD » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 3:07 pm

spanishmack wrote:i like the idea of what you are doing, looks good :thumbsup:

if you did do a wood hood, i wouldn't get an auto repair shop to paint it, go to a cabinetmaking factory and get them to make and paint the hood in "proper" 2 pack paint designed for wood, not automotive paint which is designed for metal cars not wood furntiure. its like making apple pie with pears, sure it may look the same, but nowhere near as good.



Fair call :)

And I like the applie pie with pears analogy lol... makes me think of all the food in the camps I stay in haha, it might look like real food - but it's just not the same :P
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Postby callummc1 » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 3:14 pm

spanishmack wrote:i like the idea of what you are doing, looks good :thumbsup:

if you did do a wood hood, i wouldn't get an auto repair shop to paint it, go to a cabinetmaking factory and get them to make and paint the hood in "proper" 2 pack paint designed for wood, not automotive paint which is designed for metal cars not wood furntiure. its like making apple pie with pears, sure it may look the same, but nowhere near as good.


Yep - that sounds right to me !

I must say - I'm completely taken by Danger's stand : http://www.masa.asn.au/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=148&t=170255
It's simply awesome.

I was initially thinking of something like this : http://www.projectaquarium.com/plantedAquariumArticles_ADAAquariumStand.aspx

But now I want something like Danger's.... :think:

Every time I find something new that I like, the price goes up :(
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Postby callummc1 » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 5:10 pm

Just a thought..... At what point should I be opening a tank journal for this? I feel that I'm very much in the design phase at the moment and I kind of felt that I really should wait until I'm in the build phase. However I've seen quite a few TJ's now that seem to start with design and take a long time to get legs.

What do others think? I just realized that this thread is now 5 pages long and running..... Should we continue the discussion here or should I be starting a new TJ?
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Postby WarbyD » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 5:17 pm

I think that's up to you :) The tank journal is exactly that, a journal - it's a place for you to record your thoughts, progress, etc and for us to ogle it and go "oooh puuuurdy"

I hate it when I open a tank journal that's got nothing but "i will be ordering this size tank, from this place... and it might be here in two months" and little else.. in your case though, there are alot of thoughts and design considerations bouncing around - so at least there's something to read :P
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Postby callummc1 » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 5:23 pm

WarbyD wrote:I think that's up to you :) The tank journal is exactly that, a journal - it's a place for you to record your thoughts, progress, etc and for us to ogle it and go "oooh puuuurdy"

I hate it when I open a tank journal that's got nothing but "i will be ordering this size tank, from this place... and it might be here in two months" and little else.. in your case though, there are alot of thoughts and design considerations bouncing around - so at least there's something to read :P


Yeah - I'm a little on the fence about it. I don't want to be one of those journals where everyone wants to see progress and feels cheated, but at the same time I kind of feel that there is some info that will need to be reproduced in the TJ and just wondering how far I let it go.

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Postby callummc1 » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 11:13 pm

Just made the jump to centurion reefer ;)
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Postby callummc1 » Sat 08 Jan, 2011 1:38 pm

For anyone who might have difficulty visualising the overflow / glass ceiling, I've added a couple of shots of my current Fluval Edge....

From the front.
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Corner shot.
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A shot of the chimney - this is where we are going to hide the BeanAnimal style overflow.
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Postby callummc1 » Sat 08 Jan, 2011 9:02 pm

I've just completed some renders of my setup using a stand design similar to Danger's (although the render does not look as good as his stand - check it out in his tank journal - http://www.masa.asn.au/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=148&t=170255).

So this shot shows Nick's 3ft tank a 5',6" person (for perspective) and my 5ft tank.

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The render here does not do the stand justice. Danger's stand is one of the best I have seen (check it out at the link above - first and second page have great photos).
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Postby Aydee » Mon 10 Jan, 2011 6:59 pm

Coming in a little late here, but for the covering of the wood and making it 'pretty' have you considered DIY fibreglassing? It's not hard, looks good. Just takes a LOT of effort. (Be prepared to do lots of sanding with 800grit+ wet/dry paper).

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Postby callummc1 » Mon 10 Jan, 2011 8:44 pm

Aydee wrote:Coming in a little late here, but for the covering of the wood and making it 'pretty' have you considered DIY fibreglassing? It's not hard, looks good. Just takes a LOT of effort. (Be prepared to do lots of sanding with 800grit+ wet/dry paper).

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I'm still seeking solutions, so it's not late at all :)

I'm still looking for feedback, suggestions etc

Do you have any links / info on this method?
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Postby Aydee » Mon 10 Jan, 2011 9:01 pm

Look at autorepair shops for fibreglassing equipment and manuals. (Car forums are great for fibreglassing suggestions and instructions).

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Postby nick_s_h » Mon 10 Jan, 2011 9:11 pm

very interesting thread, im tagging along for the journey :)
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Postby callummc1 » Tue 11 Jan, 2011 12:27 am

Aydee wrote:Look at autorepair shops for fibreglassing equipment and manuals. (Car forums are great for fibreglassing suggestions and instructions).

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Thanks Dave, I'll check it out and post my thoughts here.
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Postby callummc1 » Tue 11 Jan, 2011 12:28 am

nick_s_h wrote:very interesting thread, im tagging along for the journey :)


Thanks :) Could be a long one :cheers:
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Postby callummc1 » Tue 11 Jan, 2011 12:29 am

One of the admins just moved my thread into the TJ section. I guess this has become a journal :)
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Re: Floating Tank Design - For something a little bit differ

Postby ashfishy » Mon 14 Mar, 2011 10:15 pm

This looks great and it is good to see someone doing something different.
The hood from the other tank picture you posted looks like it came from a mould.
This would be difficult to replicate but i think the best way of having no exposed corners would be to make it from wood and then seal it with a thick exopy and 2pac paint.

On a slightly different concept, you could put the whole top glass on a slight angle with the back being the highest.
You wouldn't even notice 5deg or so but it would help the oils/protein ,top junk make it into the sump quicker.
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Postby JacksonLee » Mon 14 Mar, 2011 10:20 pm

be very interested to see if anything happened with this tank!
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Postby mattgreen » Mon 14 Mar, 2011 10:24 pm

is this still happening?
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Postby callummc1 » Thu 31 Mar, 2011 1:35 pm

Yes - it's still happening :)

I have the tank and stand quoted up and I'm still having difficulty in working out how to have the hood and chimney manufactured :(

I know it's been slow - apologise for that. I kind of got distracted at home for a bit. But focus has returned !
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Postby bad_inferno » Thu 31 Mar, 2011 6:52 pm

Hi,
Great thread, was planning something similar however always assume my cabinet to be smaller (shorter) than the tank, its great to see another perspective, it looks great. Was wondering if your concerned about the tank overhang from the elevated pedestal.?
There is a significant weight hanging over the edge. What size glass are you considering on the 5' tank. ?
To lessen the weight I am planning on a smaller height, I really like the look of floating tanks on a simplistic cabinet, kinda like a widescreen TV so the height is less important.

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Postby dmanning » Fri 06 Jul, 2012 11:13 pm

Still happening?

Such a good idea needs to become a reality, Evan if someone else steals it...
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Postby aznsiko » Thu 23 Aug, 2012 10:33 pm

very different but great.. would like to see it in person...
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Postby SammyCee » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 12:05 am

Hello, did this tank get made ? Would love to see some pictures.
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