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Postby mberry » Thu 19 Feb, 2009 7:28 pm

Hi,
joined recently and been doing a little bit of searching for cold water tanks but couldnt find any. is there any others out there??

anyways i live in SA grew up going down the beach and collecting things to bring back for our aquarium and always had a tank growing up.

i bought a 6' x 2 x2 when i was 15ish but didnt really have a clue on the technical side of things but gave it a good crack with moderate success. then sold that tank and moved away for a few years

now im 23 and got dragged back home to help/run the family owned business and thought while im back ill get another tank going to keep me out of trouble (or probably get me in trouble)

so i bought a 4ft x2 x2 with plans to upgrade in the future once i iron the bugs out.

starting to get into the technical side of things (i say technical most people on here would say basic haha)

so far the tank has been up and going for about a week and ive been down the beach diving and collecting bits and pieces to suit, some corals (yup they exist) sponges and various bits of weed(algae) and live rock.

my plan is replicate the local coastline mainly the rarer side of things, replacing items when i go for dives. really looking forward to having some shells in the mix. looking to keep a black cowrie that live on the sponge, its a symbiotic relationship between the sponge and cowrie the cowrie eats the growth on the sponge therefore keeping it clean and happy so ive got to keep the sponges first which could be a challenge.
also would like to keep some volutes ( i also shell collect to) they are a scavenger but look nice

heres a few pics of the progress <a href="http://s531.photobucket.com/albums/dd353/senatorwagon/tank/?action=view&current=17022009152.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd353/senatorwagon/tank/17022009152.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
few cold water corals- pic dont do them justice<a href="http://s531.photobucket.com/albums/dd353/senatorwagon/tank/?action=view&current=19022009154.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd353/senatorwagon/tank/19022009154.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
close up cold water coral<a href="http://s531.photobucket.com/albums/dd353/senatorwagon/tank/?action=view&current=19022009155.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd353/senatorwagon/tank/19022009155.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
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Postby AndreaSA » Thu 19 Feb, 2009 8:58 pm

I'll be watching with interest.

I have a friend in Tassie with temperate seahorses and it seems quite difficult for her to figure out what she can add to her tank.
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Postby Andus » Thu 19 Feb, 2009 9:36 pm

are they fish in there? they look like those "old wife" fish?
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Postby mberry » Fri 20 Feb, 2009 2:00 am

[quote]are they fish in there? they look like those "old wife" fish?

yes they are old wife's in there ive got 3 and a few lttle scorpian fish, a cow fish which is sort of like a puffer fish but have a hard box like body made of cartilage, bit of a character. apart from that a few glass shrimp.

Im looking to get my structure in first (corals rock etc) and get that sorted before i add too much im the way of fish. Ill be trying to get some seahorses to go in aswell. there is a seahorse breeder in adelaide (that moved from pt lincoln) so i can get some stock from them and some pointers. i think they are/were looking into breeding leafy and weedy seadragons, whether these are for private sale or not im not sure but that would be great to have one or 2 of those in my tank but i would say if they are for sale they wont be too cheap. but taking one from the wild can result in a hefty fine of $1000 per dragon. I'll stick to what i know is legal.
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Postby AndreaSA » Fri 20 Feb, 2009 7:00 am

Not only are the sea dragon's illegal to take but they are VERY difficult to keep alive in a closed system. They'd do poorly competeing with fish ... similar to seahorses.

I read that even systems larger than 1000L are not adequate for them.

They had one at the Seahorse Farm at Pt Adelaide -- amazing creatures. It's value was $25,000 ... !!!

I hear it died - not sure if its true but word has it that someone used a flash to photograph it and that was enough of a shock.

If you wanted to keep temperate species of seahorses you'd still likely have problems with food competition with fast swimming fish - crabs and other hitchhikers can and do cause injuries to seahorses as they are such slow swimmers. They do best in a species only tank with clean up crew.
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Postby Namn8r » Fri 20 Feb, 2009 10:02 am

Just target feed your seahorses and they will be fine.

I used to have a pair of seahorses in a 4ft reef that lived on one gorgonian. Id just target feed them twice a day and had them for 2 years they even bred a few times.
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Postby mberry » Fri 20 Feb, 2009 12:39 pm

i have had pipefish in the past and found the bugs they are eating live on the weed so i just rotated the weed in the tank regularly. also going down to the beach at night with a bright underwater light and a very fine net made it easy to find live food for them.

but yes the seadragons are best left in the wild, they are too beautiful and majestic to remove for the personal gain.
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Postby Namn8r » Fri 20 Feb, 2009 2:05 pm

Thats awesome, last year I went camping on the minalaton beach on a mates property.

Was fishing straight off the beach and snorkling the next day. Real nice reef around there.

The massive rockpools around Innes have amazing life in them although you cant collect anything as its protected.
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Postby blacjack » Sun 22 Feb, 2009 2:46 pm

Steve Weast has the best set up I've seen, here's some inspiration for ya mate :thumbsup:

http://www.oregonreef.com/sub_gallery_cold.htm
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Postby Namn8r » Sun 22 Feb, 2009 3:19 pm

If you contact Heath at coral creations I do know he has been getting some temperate marine stock.

He has of late some bright orange and yellow biscuit stars & some bright yellow commensal anemones.
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Postby mberry » Sun 22 Feb, 2009 4:58 pm

thanks for that info very enlightening.
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Postby Jesster » Sun 22 Feb, 2009 5:00 pm

nice one! I hope you have a chiller on that baby or it'll be screwed with the next heat wave. west lakes has some good stuff in there; pipefish, nudibranchs, blennies, hermit crabs, dumpling squid. heaops of feeder shimp down there too.

there was some good stuff down at normanville but you are limited in what can be taken. Although sound like you got the legal stuff covered.

Where 'd you get those corals, they're really nice.

good luck, i'll be watching intently too! :bow:
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Postby mberry » Sun 22 Feb, 2009 5:09 pm

wow that oregon set up is full on
what a dream that would be.
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Postby mberry » Sun 22 Feb, 2009 5:15 pm

gday jesster,

the legal stuff is the hard part.....what they dont know......haha. nope all by the book.
theres some nice stuff around my parts too.
the chiller should be here on monday. Ive currently got it in my bedroom which is small and ive bought a massively over sized aircon so that keeps the tank around 19-20 degrees, but keeping my tank cold makes me suffer abit haha oh well.

was hoping to get down today and get some more stuff but the wind picked up and stuffed that idea.

cheers for the interest.
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Postby blacjack » Sun 22 Feb, 2009 7:22 pm

mberry wrote:wow that oregon set up is full on
what a dream that would be.


Yeah, but it's a shame his 800gallon crashed. He's planning a bigger tank, so it'll be bigger and better. Just don't know when it's gonna happen.
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Postby Jesster » Mon 23 Feb, 2009 3:26 pm

lol some frosty nights for you then he he. nice one! hope to see some more photos soon!

cheers for sharing. :thumbsup:

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Postby mberry » Wed 25 Feb, 2009 6:44 pm

i got the chiller on monday, mucked around with that for a bit, being in a small rural country town finding the right sized fittings and hoses was fun. just had to heat up the closest size hose and used 'the force' to get the buggers on there.
the chiller is in the room on a temp basis until i can get some other fittings (the local hardware said they would have them on monday.....2wks ago, nothing yet. so im planning to get to Adelaide on friday)

Chiller is working well, i bought it 2nd hand from ebay its a teco 680? cant remember the model number off hand but its way over sized for what i need even to keep the tank down around 17 degrees.
i originally thought the thermostat needed re calibrating as it was cooling 2 degrees cooler than the display was reading on the chiller but seems to be settling down and becoming a bit more accurate.

next plans are to attach my extremely over sized sump up to the system.
i have a 200l drum starting off with a replaceable filter pad ontop of 70 odd bio balls that trickle down over gutter guard (plactic mesh, stuffed in to the barrel) and hopefully soon some old oyster bags ( plastic mesh) that makes up the bottom layer. 3/4 of the drum will have the media in it the other quarter will house the return pump to push the water back up through the skimmer (also stupidly oversized) and through the chiller then back to the tank.

The 200L wet dry trickle filter, skimmer and chiller will be all located outside (roughly 4mtrs from the tank) this will reduce noise and heat in the room (the chiller makes a bit of heat) and aid in water changes. also help the chiller work more efficient.

also have been reading a bit on the glass drilling and looking to put 2 in myself, 1 feed to the filter and 1 return. thinking 32mm.

then only problem with having the 200L drum as the filter is that it requires a pump to feed it as it is slightly higher than the tank height. so i will look into getting an external pump large enough to create the head height required but able to be feed via siphon from the feed hole in the tank.

i also went down to one of the local boat ramps with an underwater light and really fine net ( i bought it from an agriculture supplier used for a bug net). the light attracts the insects and its just a matter of dabbling around the light to get some fresh live food for the aquarium.
the catch includes little prawns, fish etc. just have to be mindful that youre not collecting too many sea lice.

well thats it for now. hopefully ill get some more pics up soon.
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Postby glennb » Wed 25 Feb, 2009 7:07 pm

Great looking tank, well done
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Postby mberry » Wed 25 Feb, 2009 7:32 pm

its getting there.......
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Postby lux_06 » Wed 25 Feb, 2009 8:36 pm

those "sea lice" are just amphipods arent they?

if you are able to visit SARDi marine research center at west beach they have a blue devil in a temperate setup worht checking out. the fish is pretty timid, but cool looking.
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Postby AndreaSA » Wed 25 Feb, 2009 9:23 pm

Yeah I thought sea lice were good fodder?

Hey well done on the creative filter!

I'm not sure what kind of external pump you need but if you look up Guppy's on line, I picked up a great little Halia pump that feeds my refugium - great value - runs quiet.
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Postby glennb » Thu 26 Feb, 2009 12:52 am

Steve McLeod is also a good source of temperate fish if you're after some. Can't remember the name of his business, but a search should turn it up.
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Postby spanishmack » Thu 26 Feb, 2009 1:31 am

glennb wrote:Steve McLeod is also a good source of temperate fish if you're after some. Can't remember the name of his business, but a search should turn it up.


oceanreef aquaculture i think. "sheriff" is his user name here
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Postby KirTracid » Fri 27 Feb, 2009 3:37 pm

I really like what you're doing with your tank Callum. It's awesome to see someone doing something different. Will be keeping an eye on this one. It's especially interesting that you're collecting a lot of it yourself. Nice job with your DIY sump too, good to see other people making things on a budget =)
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Postby JimmyA » Fri 27 Feb, 2009 4:03 pm

Go and catch yourself a few of these:
http://www.austmus.gov.au/fishes/fishfa ... arlung.htm

They look awesome in a school, beautiful yellow heads. Almost look like fire goby's.

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Postby mberry » Wed 11 Mar, 2009 6:26 pm

those "sea lice" are just amphipods arent they?

if you are able to visit SARDi marine research center at west beach they have a blue devil in a temperate setup worht checking out. the fish is pretty timid, but cool looking.


I think you are correct in regards to the 'sea lice' being amphipods. i dont like putting too many in my tank as the fix them self to fish and can do them some damage. i put one in by accident and one of my scorpion fish thought it looked nice to eat so it swam up and grabbed it, on the point of contact the fish just froze, all fins protruding, locked up stiff and sank slowly to the bottom up side down with the lice stuck between its eyes. it sat up side down on the bottom twitched a few times like it was its last nerves before it died. so intervened and netted the fish and lice out. carefully pulled the lice off the fish, (the scopian fish has venomous spines that are very painful) the sea lice had its rear spike embedded between the fish's eyes i pulled it off and stuck the fish back in the water and he was as good as new no the worse for he's ordeal. so no more sealice in my tank haha.
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Postby lux_06 » Wed 11 Mar, 2009 6:34 pm

ok that is not an amphipod!!! lol... sounds to me more like an isopod... very different.

those fish jimmy mentioned are very cool, but dont go collect them from norlunga!!! ive seen them on some reefy areas further south however.
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Postby mberry » Wed 11 Mar, 2009 6:37 pm

if you are able to visit SARDi marine research center at west beach they have a blue devil in a temperate setup worht checking out. the fish is pretty timid, but cool looking.


I have been meaning to get over to sardi to have a look.

im currently looking for a blue devil. can only find ones that are a bit big for my tank (thinking of getting my old tank back 6 x 3 x3 ) they live in the same area where crayfish are, its a good help. usually you see a blue devil and you know that theres a cray around or was.

"squirel" fish look pretty neat. they look like miniature nannagui and live in schools of 3-6

i have got quite a long list of fish i want to get for my tank but the size of my set up will dictate that haha
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Postby mberry » Wed 11 Mar, 2009 6:44 pm

ok that is not an amphipod!!! lol... sounds to me more like an isopod... very different.

those fish jimmy mentioned are very cool, but dont go collect them from norlunga!!! ive seen them on some reefy areas further south however.


are right-o im not too sure about the little critters that im getting when i collect food for the tank. i have been thinking of getting a microscope to check them out.

Those fish that jimmy mentioned are quite common in the waters around here. the worst part about them is they are very school reliant. i managed to catch 5 or six when i had my old set up but they tend to stress with out theyre buddies. but it could have been set up contributing to the stress.
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Postby mberry » Mon 30 Mar, 2009 4:37 am

been a while since i have up dated here so here goes.

i have added a bit of a ledge/ cave in the corner and added a few more pieces of coral, few new sponges and feather tube worms. few new fish.
as i said the aqua-scaping is the biggest change, everytime i go for a dive i usually bring another thing home and the tank is getting a bit crowded........so its for sale............enter a new 7 x 2 x 2.5.

the new tank should be available in the next few weeks, bought it off the forum. will have plenty of room for the fishes to swim and me to set up my different marine habitats. was looking to get another 4 footer to set up a reef and coral tank and in the other a sponge and weed tank.

i have been trying to upload pics (be honest thats what we all love to see haha) but my internet has been dropping out :konk: but i will keep trying to get them on here.

The main goal of the tank was to be able to get a black cowrie to live in the tank. i managed to get one and its host sponge and brought it home and put it in the tank. the cowrie was doing ok but then gave up the ghost. as far as i can determine the host sponge stressed and as a defense let out a toxin. i could only tell as the fish in my tank were breathing heavier one morning so i quickly whipped out the sponge (was the only new addition, so by elimination it was the cause) and placed it in a bucket and did a water change and the fish were back to being happy. but sadly the cowrie didnt survive. i later looked at the sponge which was growing on the outside of a razorfish which i assumed was dead as the sponge completely covered the opening which is how the eat. but the razor fish was alive and must have opened right up and tore the sponge which cause the drama. after fishing around in the bucket about 2hours later my arm had a nice rash all over it.
so thats was a lesson in sponge keeping, if i try again i will just bring home the cowrie and place it on my existing sponges.
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