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Pete's Clownfish now with snowflakes

Postby radioman » Sat 11 Feb, 2012 5:18 pm

Hi All,
I have decided to have a go at breeding some clowns, been thinking about it for a while but finnialy got going.
My first hatching was some tomatoe clowns, but unfortunally they all died on the second day, heat stress I think it was 32 in the house when I got home and they were all dead. Onwards and upwards..... :poke:

Next spawing was was some occy clowns, they are currently at day 4 and there is approx 100 + babies I think.
I again was not prepared properly, but with a bit of help from friends have got something set up to help control the enviroument for the babies. What I have done is part filled a black tub with fresh water, then installed a small pump to push fresh water thru a chiller (thanks clint for the loan) back into the black tub, into this I have placed the tank with the young clown fish in (salt water). Also I have added to the fresh water area a 50watt heater to keep the water at a set temp.
The baby tank is painted black on all sides and 3/4 submerged into the fresh water tub, one cooling and heating system all in one, done.
I am feeding the babies on rotifers every three hours and doing 2 water changes of about 5 ltrs a day, to refill the baby tank I am driping fresh sea water back into the tank.
Okay that is about enough from me for now on with the video, taken my a mate and put up on youtube.



any suggestions welcome.
Oh forgot to mention, I have set up a small system to grow the babies into, that is as long as I get some thru the next stage.

:cheers: Peter
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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby picasso » Sun 12 Feb, 2012 10:00 am

Hi Pete, a day 2 death is usually starvation following a late hatch,i have had larvae at 36c with no problems,anyway good luck, to get them to day four would indicate their eating ok,what are you feeding the rotifers? the water looks very clear which will starve any uneaten rotifers,also i would loose the wooden airstone,firstly its unnecessary and secondly it will release tannin into the water which will kill the larvae,the pump needs turning up a lot higher as well,personally i have found that clownfish larvae hate LED lights and tend to shy away from them,it will be interesting to see how they go under it,make sure they can see and actively hunt the rotifers
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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby radioman » Sun 12 Feb, 2012 1:28 pm

Thanks for you comments, I dont think it was starvation as there was lots of rotifers in the water after the tank was cleaned, but could have been. Will know better next time.
Yes the occies are going great only 1 died overnight now at day 5.
The rotifers are gettin green water in other containers and then filtered to put into the baby tank, only a little green water is being added to the baby tank. But they get rotifers every 3 hours, nice full bellies on them all the time.
Thanks for the info about the air stone, wondered if I needed it. Can I ask what pump you are refering to? do you meen airline with no airstone and then turn up the air pump?
I am finding that the babies dont have a worrie about the leds, in fact they tend to gather under it and so do the rotifers, but will take your advise on board and keep an eye on them.
I can definatly see them actively hunting the rotifers, so will leave the light and keep a close watch.

Can you tell me what day I should start to introduce BBS...?

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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby radioman » Sun 12 Feb, 2012 1:50 pm

This is pretty crappy photo, but you get the idea.

babies Day 5

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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby picasso » Sun 12 Feb, 2012 3:36 pm

yes i was referring to the air pump with the wooden diffuser

with ocellaris i have never fed BBS i usually add some golden pearls or crushed up flake from about day 4 with their rotifers ,i like to see them on dry food 100% by meta,if your going to use BBS i would start to replace 1 feed now with BBS,just a couple of points(this is why i dont use them) they must be fed within 12 hours of hatching, you must use decapsulated eggs or decapsulate them (shells kill larvae) and any uneaten need to be removed before they grow and choke the larvae,larvae can also overeat and explode so feed them sparingly
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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby Bulldog » Sun 12 Feb, 2012 8:55 pm

Congrats Pete. :clap:

I showed the vid to shorty and shee loves them, I'll have to bring her up for a sticky beak :-x

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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby radioman » Sun 12 Feb, 2012 9:49 pm

anytime mate, your more than welcome. Just dont wait to long they are growing so quickly.

And eating me out of house and home.......
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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby radioman » Mon 13 Feb, 2012 10:03 am

Day 6 :baby:
Feed with rotifers and some BBS this morning, some of the fry are actively chasing and eating the BBS.
I also tried some ground up Ocean Nutrition food, not sure If any eaten hard to tell.

all going well so far :crossfingers:
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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby Braddles » Mon 13 Feb, 2012 11:55 pm

About day 10 should see the bum dance back in vogue as they hit Met :clap:

I have never had them on flake by Met.. I find crushed flake very polluting, leaves a slick and no better yeild in numbers or size of fry over batches raised on rots increasing %'s of decapsulated enriched BBS to met.. In fact flake sees Amonia issues come in to play in my experience, and then risk of gill flare and other issues. The best combo have been Rots and Goldern Pearls from about day 6 right through Met.

I reckon what you are doing is working Peter, with <10% loss to day 6, so keep doing what you are doing mate!! You are doing a great job! I am just very wary of Brine Shrimp's exoskeletons damaging their little GI systems... esp if the BBS start eating the algae and "grow up" before being gobbled. (Hence I prefer GP's, plus they are easier :pirate: )

Was awesome to see them today...

More eggs available when you're ready :-)
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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby radioman » Tue 14 Feb, 2012 8:46 am

Thanks Brad, good to have somebody who has raised clowfish in the past come check what I am doing is right.

Last night I did a feed on BBS, lots eaten and I got to admit I was a bit worried about losses that might occur.

This mornings check found none dead, :clap: :clap:

Day 7
The babies have eaten ON food this morning, then Rotifers and now BBS.
All have full little tummies, and going great.
Water change due soon,

My goodness worse than having a human baby in the house. :roflmao:

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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby Bulldog » Tue 14 Feb, 2012 5:19 pm

I want to see you changing the nappies :roflmao:
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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby radioman » Tue 14 Feb, 2012 11:10 pm

changing nappies is easy compaired to this.

making green water, feeding the rotifers, hatching BBS waterchaninging all and sundray, collecting rotifers, cleaning containers
I am tired just thinking about it, but its fun...... I think

Hope it is worth all the trouble. I just want the kids to grow up and be good, I think I have said that sometime before!!!!!!!!
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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby Bulldog » Wed 15 Feb, 2012 8:52 am

Hahaha. You are getting tired, posting twice, or is that 'to be sure, to be sure' :)
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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby radioman » Wed 15 Feb, 2012 9:42 am

too be sure too be sure

Day 7
Lost 3 babies overnight, all others doing well feeding BBS, ON formula one and rotifers.
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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby Braddles » Wed 15 Feb, 2012 10:04 pm

Looked awesome today mate.

only 2 sleeps I reckon to Met.. Mayyybe 3.

Exciting times!!
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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby radioman » Wed 15 Feb, 2012 10:12 pm

exciting is not what I call it, bloody nervious that's me.

They have had another feed with BBS, rofiters and ON since you were here all food gone, nothing left in the water again. Just lots of fat bellies.

will water change again soon and do another feed, they can certianlly eat.
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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby radioman » Wed 15 Feb, 2012 10:32 pm

new Pics

Babies day 7
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The Kidds after feeding day 7
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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby Braddles » Wed 15 Feb, 2012 10:37 pm

Looks like they have grown in a few hours!!!!

They look well fed now... before some looked a tad thin!!

I can start to see their shapes getting ready to change!! Cuties :-)
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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby radioman » Thu 16 Feb, 2012 1:25 pm

Day 8

All the babies are going well, amonia rose a bit yesterday, but water changes and some amno buster soon fixed that.

Feeding continues at a frantic pace, they are looking a lot more like little fish now.

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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby picasso » Thu 16 Feb, 2012 3:52 pm

look for their tails starting to curl,ime thats a day off meta
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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby radioman » Thu 16 Feb, 2012 6:51 pm

Hey, thanks for the info.

I have noticed today that there are a lot doing the tail curl thing, wondered what they were up to.

Common Met :clap: :clap:
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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby Braddles » Thu 16 Feb, 2012 7:28 pm

picasso wrote:look for their tails starting to curl,ime thats a day off meta

:withyou: Agree... and they start to wiggle rather than dart around... like a cute clown!!

Sooo exciting!! Glad you're taking pics Peter :-)
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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby Ben Paul » Thu 16 Feb, 2012 8:21 pm

Looking very good
When the larvae look nice and clear like yours do not dark in colour this is a good sign
They are eating the bbs well by the look of their tummies
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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby wawazza » Thu 16 Feb, 2012 8:43 pm

Pete,

Well done, i have no idea of the process of breeding any fish at all but the fact you have done this in your own house is great.

good on ya
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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby radioman » Thu 16 Feb, 2012 9:45 pm

Thanks guys, the support is very welcome.

I will tell everyone, it is a time consuming bussiness to make sure that the babies have the best chance of making it.

But I must say the feeling of helping take the preasure off the open reefs is a great thing. Just hope some people will take some of the fish off me, when
they are ready to go to good homes.

Hey Brad, just to let you know, looks like I might have a couple of the tomatoes (they have black bodies aft of the bellies).

I can acutually see a couple of fish that have a white head stripe. :clap:

new photos will be posted after water change.

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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby radioman » Thu 16 Feb, 2012 10:55 pm

more baby photos

not sure what is happening but they are just speeding around at present

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babies day 8
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lots of babies

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sorry they are out of focus but dam hard to keep them still
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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby radioman » Fri 17 Feb, 2012 6:41 pm

Day 9.

They are all going well, eating lots. I can actually see a couple with a white strip just behind the head.
Lots of them are doing the tail curling thing so hopefully they will undergo met tomorrow. :clap:

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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby Braddles » Fri 17 Feb, 2012 6:53 pm

Hopefully they all have big white blotches behind the head.. like reaaaallllly big... (aka Plats)

Sounds like Met has arrived :-)

I will be able to hang up my steth soon :-)
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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby captain » Fri 17 Feb, 2012 7:31 pm

Hi Pete,

Good to see you are having some success. Glad to see the greenwater and rots have been but to good use. You probably now seeing why I decided to give myself a break from the breeding with the amount of work involved with it all. Anyway you probably find the babies have gone through meta with those visable head stripes. Now you just need to work on getting them weaned onto dried foods exclusively. Keep it up
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Re: Pete's Clownfish first hatching

Postby radioman » Fri 17 Feb, 2012 9:22 pm

captain wrote:Hi Pete,

Good to see you are having some success. Glad to see the greenwater and rots have been but to good use. You probably now seeing why I decided to give myself a break from the breeding with the amount of work involved with it all. Anyway you probably find the babies have gone through meta with those visable head stripes. Now you just need to work on getting them weaned onto dried foods exclusively. Keep it up
regards Craig


Hi Craig,
Yes mate, they are certianlly time consuming if you want to make the best of it. the Rots and greenwater are going great and I now have 6 bottles of green water. Thanks for the advise about the head stripes, was not sure what it meant but well I only have about 6 with the head stripes so hopefully more will do it
tomorrow. I think I may have a couple of tomatoes in the group as well, as there is a couple with black ends and look a bit different.

Dry foods bring it on, but will keep giving a serving of rots and bbs as well for the next few days and increase the dry foods slowly.
Thanks again for the support. Anytime you want rots or green water you know where to come.

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